What is pain? Neil Pearson helps to clarify the assumption that all pain is directly correlated to tissue damage, why your brain is messing with you by creating pain in the first place (if it’s not always telling the truth about what’s going on on the inside), and how you are likely to convince your brain that you need more oomph in order for it to be listened to.

Neil also discusses how pain isn’t just biological, biomechanical, or biomedical- and how better understanding how our lives and bodies are integrated can help us to address it more effectively than reducing this way and trying to put it into one “box” or another.

We also touch on the controversy about whether you can measure someone's pain with a brain scan, and get into how yoga, movement, and fitness teachers can educate themselves in order to help their clients better.   

Christopher McDougall is talking about his latest book, Natural Born Heroes. We talk about this remarkable story of a band of resistance fighters on Crete during World War II, how they contributed to toppling the Nazi occupation there, and the amazing local Cretans who taught them about their tradition of the hero.

Christopher doesn't stop at these remarkable people however, he asks what makes a hero and how can we all be heroes?

We talk fascia, Parkour, natural movement/MovNat, low heart rate training, burning fat for fuel, and how we can all rise to the occasion by studying the way of the hero. 

Today's conversation is with Ged Sumner about his book Body Intelligence Meditation.

- Is traditional meditation treating the body like a machine to be broken?

- Is it therefore anti-body and therefore leading to dissociative instead of enlightened states?

- Can deep shifts in our physiology happen simply by engaging in somatic meditation and inviting our deep intelligence to arise? And why does that sound so totally ludicrous to people?

- How the greatest miracle is that we seem solid at all.

- Have become too obsessed with pathology and not engaged enough with what feels good?

- Are we bliss-phobic as a culture and how do we get some of that yummy, juicy, waiting for us bliss back?